Comments for Pro Football Talk Line We Talk Pro Football 24/7/365 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on Cowboys Need A Huge Offseason by housedj75 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:13:00 +0000 REALLY hope the FO FINALLY gets around to the Safety position & quits ‘nibbling around the corners’ & finally brings some heat right down the middle of the damn plate. Corners appear to be OK, but we haven’t had a good S since Row Williams first couple of seasons.

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Kevin Black Thu, 08 Feb 2018 14:37:00 +0000 You’re suggesting that he will never be more than ‘a bit better than a JAG.’ I disagree. I’m saying he progressed from the point of he shouldn’t have been on the field in game one outside of a few plays to being better than a JAG at the end. This entire time he’s still healing.

So, this next year I expect him to go from being better than a JAG to being one of the best players on the defense.

That’s NOT a fail.

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Kevin Black Thu, 08 Feb 2018 14:33:00 +0000 The difference is that Cleveland might get one good player like Zeke or Dak in two of four drafts, not in the same. They also wouldn’t have gotten Collins and Brown late in the draft.

As for judging drafts, I agree with the time frame. That’s why it’s frustrating that people are jumping on Jaylon and others after only two years. I still think Jaylon will be a player in this league, but there’s no way to know just how good yet. Tapper might end up being that player that his health will never let him play in this league. I hope that’s not the case because he does have the ability to play in this league. I’d hate to think he’s another unicorn.

Yes. Two Years. 32 games. You can’t judge this class yet. You can’t say it takes years to judge a class and then judge it after two years.

All draft classes are projections until they succeed of fail, but you have to give them time. I’m shocked at how many people are ready to throw out the entire draft already. I’m hearing that we should jettison Zeke and Dak, although for different reasons. They think we can get another RB late in any draft who will be just as good and that franchise QBs can be had any year as long as we will trade up to the 1st pick, but keep those late rounders so we get the RB.

You can’t have it both ways. the draft is a crapshoot. You try to put together the best board you can and get as much information as you can about each player. Then you fight other teams doing the same thing. Then on draft day when they take the players you had targeted and no one wants to trade with you, you end up with a Jaylon Smith and everyone is pissed. Even though you landed a franchise QB in Prescott a day later, you still get pounded on something you can’t control. People say ‘stay true to your board’, but when they do, they get angry fans when they take a Jaylon Smith even though their evaluation was that he was the best choice after the teams ahead of them took the players they had targeted.

It seems that unless Dallas hits on every single pick, fans are pissed. Totally unrealistic.

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Steven Van Over Thu, 08 Feb 2018 13:30:00 +0000 “Far bigger holes than Jaylon Smith” – I agree. Especially talent drop off wise. And ok, I can go “a bit better than a JAG.” He certainly did improve and that should continue as he heals and gets his head around what he can do at this level.

I don’t see how that moves the needle in the assessment of his draft selection. Getting a player that’s a “bit better than a JAG” that the selecting GM proclaims is a “TOP Five Pick” is a fail. It’s not the player. It’s the pick.

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Steven Van Over Thu, 08 Feb 2018 13:26:00 +0000 I never said Dak or Zeke were poor picks amigo. Cleveland has drafted some really good players as well. It’s the “entirety” of the event that is mind boggling 🙂

but w/Dak & Zeke you really can’t judge that draft for a few more years insofar as success. If either player does not get a second contract from the Cowboys it would change the grade on the draft in a big way. Conversely if a player drafted late busted out in a big way that can be judged almost immediately as a plus. You can however call out fails as they happen. Nature of the beast.

I agree with what you say above. Jaylon is a “plus” and his arrow is pointing up. Hell I like Tapper. I think he has potential. In camp he was da BOMB. As players, I love their “potential” but that’s what they are. Two years after they were drafted they are both still “potentially” very good players. Two years. 32 Games. Let that sink in.

This isn’t about the players. I LOVE Jaylon Smith. This is about the NFL Draft of the Dallas Cowboys. It’s been sub par over all.

Hey man … flying pigs are REAL!

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Steven Van Over Thu, 08 Feb 2018 13:19:00 +0000 You bring up some great points that Raf and I have discussed at length. Rare is a good description but not non-existent. We found that most of the mini-dynasties that have occurred in the modern era all had two REALLY good drafts linked together. It was the lynch pin that pushed them over the hump talent wise. We both wrote about this a few years ago. I may dust that bad boy off. It’s a great piece.

Cracking up on the Browns comment. Dude, for almost 15 years, we did …

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Kevin Black Wed, 07 Feb 2018 21:28:00 +0000 Seriously? The Cleveland Browns? You think that poorly of Dak, Zeke and Jaylon?

Jaylon is a plus. His arrow is pointed up. Tapper is an unknown. If we draft someone to take his spot on the roster, I won’t have a problem with that. He has to prove he belongs on the team, but he still has to have a chance. I never said Tapper was a plus player though. I said he had an opportunity, nothing more. Jaylon is a plus player now. He wasn’t at the start of the season.

If you want to compare drafts with other teams, that’s fine. But whether you like it or not, the draft is a crapshoot. Otherwise players like Dak would never go in the forth and players like Anthony Brown in Pittsburgh would have been drafted by a team.

If you want perfection in a draft, I’d suggest you look up unicorns, pegasi and flying pigs. You’d be just as likely to catch one of those.

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Kevin Black Wed, 07 Feb 2018 21:24:00 +0000 I agree he was a JAG early in the season, but the last three games he played as well as Hitchens was playing. That’s a bit better than a JAG and due to his age and amount of experience, his arrow is pointed up. Getting a player at his position either FA or in the draft would be a wasted draft pick. There are far bigger holes than Jaylon Smith.

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Steven Van Over Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:04:00 +0000 Pretty much spot on IMO. This is a MUCH better reasoning than you used earlier … to be frank I only have issue with one point you reference.

“was starting to look better than just a JAG.” – see, even you admit his play has been crap for a high draft choice. “Will he” .. again … even you “don’t know.” He is not “Good go Go.” He’s a work in progress with an unbelievable work ethic and humbleness. I am rooting for him. He is a GREAT guy. He’s not there yet.

At that point you can NOT count him as a plus. You look at him as a “maybe.” You don’t “count” on maybe. At this point, he is a JAG with “potential” to be more. I note you don’t mention Rico Gathers as a “plus” in this section. Well done. Treat Jaylon the same.

I hope he makes it. Until he does, JAG status sticks. I soooo want to be wrong. However Jerry was touting him as all-world for 2016 playoffs! … see how that worked out.

Comment on Cowboys Winning Formula Missing Key Pieces by Steven Van Over Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:01:00 +0000 WELCOME TO THE CLEVELAND BROWNS

Counting Jaylon and/or Tapper, etc as “plus” players for a draft? #ComeOnMan – you CAN NOT spend potential. Atlanta had a pro bowl LB in 2017 Super Bowl Cowboys could have drafted instead of Smith. Would have been playing 2 years now and proven his “potential.” Heck Count Rick Gathers as a HOF player and Mo Claiborne as a HOF player that got away. You used “potential” in 5 descriptors of the draft picks.

Seriously, this is why Jerry Jones gets away with his shtick.

BTW – I will “potentially” made enough money to retire this year. Should I buy my new car now or wait?